Christ Consciousness and Finding Your Inner Truth: A Journey Beyond Religion with David Hulse

In this transformative episode of Leaving the Church to Find God, Melissa speaks with David Hulse, a trailblazer in the field of sound therapy and the founder of SomaEnergetics. Together, they explore the liberating journey of embracing Christ Consciousness and uncovering your inner truth beyond the confines of organized religion.

David shares his inspiring story of moving from traditional religious frameworks to a path of spiritual awakening and vibrational healing. Through the power of sound, self-discovery, and Christ Consciousness, David empowers listeners to break free from limiting beliefs and align with their authentic selves.

This episode offers profound insights into the nature of spirituality, the role of sound in healing, and the transformative journey of reconnecting with the divine within. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that will inspire you to embrace your truth and walk your spiritual path with confidence and love.

Learn more about David Hulse and his work at
www.davidhulse.com
http://www.sanctuaryforawakening.com 
http://www.heratlightcharlotte.org

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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Aloha, David. Welcome. What's going on there? Tim. Well, let's get a second. It's not doing it now. Okay, let's try again. Okay. Okay. Aloha, David. Welcome to Leaving the Church to Find God. It's so nice to have you here. I, um, how's your day been going? Well, good. I just, uh, did a Wednesday morning class today, so I'm all ready to go. That's at your, um, Academy of Spiritual Awakening. Uh, exactly. My center, my spiritual center, Heartlight Spiritual Center here in Charlotte, but, uh, I do Wednesday classes. Oh, amazing. Awesome. I, um, hold on a second. I just got distracted and lost my thought, lost my train of thought for a second there. Okay. So typically we start this conversation out with your leaving the church story. So tell me about it. What, what for you started to crack? What made the difference that helped you to escape the, the trap? Well, you know, actually, in fact, I was just telling the group this morning that I actually felt something different as early as I can remember being conscious as a young, young child. Something did not feel right. And I think that's because, uh, there is a group of us, uh, that have come in to this incarnation, uh, for the fact of being more conscious born. In other words, I don't think we went as deeply into the hypnotic sleep of matter and illusion, but I think we held a deeper subconscious memory of where we came from. And as we heard all this dogma and doctrine of religion, it just didn't resonate with me. And I don't feel I'm alone. I have found people across the country for years who have related to this idea, uh, that they just in the very beginning, just did not fit with, for instance, the idea of a very fear-based God, an angry God, but they felt something different in their heart. And I call that the presence within, uh, and that's kind of what started with me in that way. But I'll tell you, Melissa, one, uh, first things that I noticed that was thoughts that were coming from a higher place in me that I wouldn't have thought of was two things. One, that nobody in the Bible spoke English. And I thought, well, then what did they say? So I got very interested in taking the Bible and looking up the Greek, the Hebrew, and I found out the Aramaic meanings of these words. And it was different than what was written in English. And I started teaching from that level. And I had people that resonated with that, uh, in that way. So really there was no time that I got out of the church. Uh, I never was in it when I was in it, if you know what I mean, like in it, but not of it. But I just felt a different path drawing me, uh, that made me, um, what I call research. I just had to research for myself because I was raised in a family of very religious people. My aunt was our pastor. My uncle was the overseer of the denomination. This is a Pentecostal denomination. And so I had a lot of family members who were very steeped into that, into that religion. Uh, but I was the kind of, um, black sheep of the group, I guess you might say, in the fact that I asked questions that made them nervous and all I heard of will understand it better by and by. And when we get to heaven, we can ask Jesus. And I'm going, no, I want to know now, if I'm going to give my life to this thing, I need to know for myself. So that started me on a self-discovery journey, I think very early. I, um, I can definitely identify with that. The, I I've noticed, I feel like in these families, I think in a lot of families, dysfunctional families, especially in the church, that there is always this truth teller, this black sheep of the family that is sent here or came here to disrupt things. I know that that's something I identify with myself. Um, it was definitely difficult because I'm very outspoken and I would definitely speak up because that doesn't, that doesn't sound right. It was not appreciated. It often went like harshly punished, um, you know, being ostracized and such. So I'm just curious, like how, what was your family's reaction other than like, oh, you'll figure it out later, like within the church and within your family, like how were you treated as a result of this? Or what was the reaction to that? Uh, good question. Uh, kind of both sides of the coin here. Uh, there were those in the family who definitely saw me going off into some false teachings or something that were not, uh, as, um, supportive, but some of the family actually was, and that included my parents, which made me wonder how they did that for a long time. And I really asked my higher self, how did that happen? And the answer was so fascinating because we had made a contract before we came here that I chose these parents to support me because I left home at 17 and started full-time ministry. And I thought, how did they let me do that? You know, and they never understood how they let me do that, but it was like, it was written, you know, before we came that we'd had this agreement that there was a part of me that didn't come from them, but through them that they didn't own. And, uh, so I really ended up being rather supported by my immediate family, even though they didn't understand, you know, the teachings, a lot of what I was doing, but they were supportive of me. So kind of two-sided, uh, reactions there, I think, in my family. Yeah, that's great though, that you have that support. I agree that we choose, um, we choose our parents, we choose our paths based on what our soul desires to live out in, in this incarnation. And yeah, even, you know, I, with my own difficulties, I felt like that was a choice, like I was meant to face all the challenges early in life so that I could live out my purpose later in life by working through those challenges and being able to identify and empathize with others who've been through such, you know, challenges. And so I, it's really beautiful how you've been able to lead this movement and, you know, create this, this system of education for people because you did have that support. And it's like at this point in life, I had, I had, um, I do breathwork and I had a, um, I get a lot of communication in my breathwork sessions. And I have one recently where I just cried in this, like, awe and appreciation of all the pain. It was like all the pain, all the trouble, everything that felt so impossible. Like, I just see the beauty in it all. I see how every bit of it has led me exactly where I am. And, and I have just so much appreciation for it. Like, thank you. Thank you for, to my higher self for getting me through it, to life for delivering our contract. So I really appreciate that you brought that up with the soul contracts and such. Um, you mentioned that your aunt was the leader of the church, which leads me to believe that there's already a little more openness in the environment that you were raised in, because it's not often that women are, um, promoted to leadership within the church. I know I have an aunt that definitely felt a calling and was such a huge part of her church and her congregation. And then when her husband, who was the pastor died and she, you know, became the leader of the church, it just like everything fell apart and people just couldn't accept that. So what did that look like? How do you feel like that, that difference was created? Like how'd that happen way back then? Maybe another contract. I don't know, but I was just blessed to have my aunt as my pastor, my mother's sister, um, which I just, she was just bigger than life. You know, she wore a, an orchid hat with an orchid suit with a orchid handkerchief hanging down. And, and she was just very dramatic. So she was a quite a, quite a character, but, you know, looking back at her, uh, I think she understood things like meditation. Cause she would say to me, Oh, just give me about five or 10 minutes. And she would go within. And I thought she knew more than was going on there. But one thing that I am appreciative that it gave me a different relationship with the feminine within a very patriarchal all male religion that I don't have that hang up because being raised, uh, under a woman's ministry, uh, was very good thing for me that kind of broadened my scope, uh, that spirit doesn't care, uh, what our gender is or our orientation or anything else, but, um, God, God can use anybody who's willing and open-hearted to receive. So, uh, she died very early, unfortunately. And so, uh, but she left me with a lot of good DNA and a lot of good modeling, uh, that has been a blessing to me all these years that I've been ministering and doing what I do. So within the Pentecostal church, outside of your aunt's congregation, were you in a member of any other Pentecostal churches? I was not, um, my aunt, I was raised in the assemblies of God, which is a very large, uh, Pentecostal church that is known for its Trinity doctrine. Yeah. Father, son, Holy ghost. Uh, I was sovereignly experienced a desire to be baptized in the name of Jesus. Now at that time, I remember I'm very young Christian. I love Jesus. And they told me that he was the bride groom and I'm the bride. So I thought, well, I'd like, if I marry him, I want to take his name on. So I got really looking into that and saw that nobody in the church was baptized in the name of Jesus. So I just said, okay, Holy spirit, if you want me to do that and it's make a long story short, I was driving down, this is in Tulsa, Oklahoma, by the way. And the field that I was driving down was now all Roberts university, but it was just a field, but there was a big tent revival going on and something said, stop there. And it was the last day of the, of the tent revival. And they were baptizing people in this big tank and they were baptizing people in Jesus name. So I got out and got in the line to get baptized clothes and all. And, uh, they didn't know who in the world this guy was, uh, and where I came from. Uh, they didn't know if I was prepared enough to be baptized and they were going to come and kind of pull me out. And the minister just stopped and said, the spirit just told me baptize this young man. So, uh, I went that way, but I never joined all the experiences that I have. I never joined anything. I didn't join the assembly of God. I didn't join the United Pentecostal or the apostolic. I stayed totally independent in my own path. And I've remained that way for over six decades. I've never joined any religion or organized religion at all. That's really amazing. That's very commendable. Interesting. That's funny because I was raised in UPC. So that was always the thing of like those assembly of God people, you know, their trinity. You can't trust any of that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny how everybody kind of has their own little sect and they're pitted against each other. And it's like, well, none of this is true. Well, I have a great story that you might enjoy. Uh, in the late sixties, I was guided. Um, I read in, in, in, in the Bible that Paul said, those that are baptized in the Christ has put on Christ. And I thought, why aren't we baptizing people into Christ? And I started teaching that. And what ended up happening, Melissa, is I started baptizing people who'd been baptized in the father, son, Holy ghost, and people who had baptized into Jesus all into Christ. So they met together in this baptism of Christ. And of course we know in Christ, there's neither male or female Jew or Gentile bond or free or apostolic or Trinity. So people begin to find the new place to come together and to meet. And I did that for years and years and years of baptizing people into Christ for circumcision of the heart into the Melchizedek order of an endless life. Yeah. It was an amazing, I mean, the spirit was so powerful in those baptisms. This really brings me to the conversation of Christ consciousness. And I get asked often, like, what are my feelings about Jesus? And, you know, it's like, well, I'm not attached to whether or not Jesus was an actual human being, but I do believe in Christ. I do believe in the Christ consciousness and the pineal gland and everything that's happening there. So it seems like you really identify with that. Can you go further into that conversation? Absolutely. It just dawned on me one day that Christ is not Jesus' last name. He's not Mr. Christ. And then I was reading where he asked Paul, Peter, who do they say I am? He said, thou art the Christ, the son of the living God. He didn't say Jesus. And by the way, Jesus is kind of an add-in translation. He probably never heard his name as Jesus. If there's such a person, he would have been Yeshua, I imagine would be his true name. But I'm like you. I'm not here to debate that. Sorry. And he wouldn't have been a white guy. Oh, he's not white. We've got a picture of him. We've got pictures of different sages in our center. And we've got a darker Jesus, you know, that looked more like the Eastern Jesus. Because you really don't understand the Bible, you have to understand a little bit of the Eastern culture, which I was warned against. And probably you were too. Don't get in that Eastern stuff. That's what the devil. But actually, the whole Bible is Eastern. All customs were Eastern. They all looked Eastern. So that's another thing that happened for me that was kind of interesting. But yeah, I've been on this path of progression and growth and all my life. I just think there's so much more that we didn't capture in organized religion. Another big thing was picking up a Bible one day, opening to the first page, it said, and King James Version. I said, no, wait a minute. I'm looking for God's version, not King James. And who in the heck is King James? And I started studying this crazy man. He was a mess. He was glutton. He was a pedophile. He was everything. And yet everybody's taking the King James Version at that time as the infallible word of God. So the Bible as it is written is not really God's book about man, but it's man's book about God. So I said, well, God, do you have a book? And even out of the Bible, I opened up to Revelations 5 and it said, and John was in the spirit and he saw one on the throne with a book written within, with seven seals. And I went, oh my God, are those the seventh energy centers or now what we call chakras that were all sealed up? And I thought, no, the book I'm looking for is written within me, the book of life. So that's how found that out in my journey. Yeah, definitely. And I feel like in all the spiritual practices and discovery I've been through, it always goes back to the chakra system, the seven chakras. It's really powerful to be able to find that connection, that the oneness within, right? And all of those parts of ourselves that make us human and in this human experience. Yeah, so we were talking about the Christ consciousness and I interrupted. Sorry, yeah. Well, Christ to me is divine mind made it into the human story. That's why I say Christ. It is the consciousness that is what we call creator that has been placed into our humanity. That's why it says Christ in you, the hope of glory, not Jesus in you, but Christ in you, the hope of glory. And then one of my, if there's a verse I really love as a mantra, it's found in Philippians and it said, let the same mind be in me that was in Christ Jesus who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Can you believe that's in the Bible? I've never heard anybody preach that. No, that's big. Yeah. So I believe that mind is Christ consciousness. It is the very thought of the divine being, whatever we choose to call it, that is in us. And I think that that's what guides us. I think it's called the Holy Spirit. Now I, I spell Holy Spirit, W-H-O-L-L-Y, not H-O-L-Y because it is a part of my spirit that's kept whole. It didn't fall. It didn't fall into the, into the more huge man level of things, but it's remained a part of me. Some call it the spark of God, some call it the presence, but it is the very consciousness that created us. Yes. Yeah, I agree. And it's interesting, like, again, there's all of these spiritual paths that lead to the same understanding. And I found in these conversations that, you know, people, we all have our different journey out of the church and into, you know, a more whole understanding of our higher selves and of the creator. And it always kind of comes back to the same thing, which I feel like is really telling. Like you said, we don't need someone else to explain it to us. It's already in us. And when we tune into that and we shed the layers that have been indoctrinated, and there is no question because you know it, it's a knowing, it's a connection and understanding of oneness. That's true. Like for me, that is true oneness and understanding there is no separation and that this human form, this body is just a vehicle to experience and to express that energy or that essence that is the divine creator. So, yeah. You said a lot of good things there. What's that? You said a lot of good things there. Thanks, I agree. Same to you. Yeah, that's really interesting. So, you are part of the LGBTQ plus community, correct? I am. So, when did you realize that you were attracted to men and that was your path and how did that go for you and your family and in that situation? Again, another thing that I think is in the contract because I had total support of my parents who would have every reason not to support that but did. I tell you, this has been interesting. I think that we all come in with something that I call evolutionary driver. It drives us outside of the boundaries and having that and knowing that very early that I was different in my orientation is what is the thing that has made me go deep to search, to go beyond the boundaries I was told to stay out of. I had to find answers because am I, according to them, a person that God does not love and God is going to punish or whatever their doctrine was, or was it what I was feeling in my heart that I was feeling I was loved and accepted for who I am? So, I had to deal with that. But actually, the early part of my ministry was my journey of doing that. I just did it in front of people. I just did the research. But I will tell you, bringing this up to today, after six decades of all this deep research that I've come up with, and I don't share this often but I feel I will, I've never connected to labels. I just don't connect to labels like even gay, queer, or homosexual. None of those things connect with me because that's how the world wants to identify me. So, I began to really do some deep searching on what it was. Now, I happen to believe in reincarnation and therefore, I believe that I'm at the last incarnation in my 3D experience of the world. I think this is what's called in time. I think the time of coming back and forth is over for a group of people. I call them the first fruits of the harvest or lightworkers or whatever. But for me, and other people have to see if this resonates with you, I've been told this is my last incarnation in this third dimensional world. Therefore, I have had an equal amount of incarnations as a man and a woman and female and male. Therefore, it's all come together in this last time and I'm kind of part of what the Bible calls a new creation person. I don't know if that makes sense to you or not, but I'm not a label. I'm an experience. I've been having for a long, long time as I've continued by the grace and love of some creator to say, you can't get it one time. Come back and let's do this again. Let's grow a little bit more. Let's grow a little bit more. Undo a little bit more of your karma. I think that I've done that to this point that I can really say that I'm a more integrated being of both my male and female yin and yang, negative, positive, light and dark. I think all of that has come together for me in this incarnation. I hope that makes some sense. It does make sense. It's interesting because when I was trying to form that sentence, there wasn't... That's why I said they attracted to men because no label would stick. I was like, no, that doesn't sound right. Homosexual, gay, that doesn't sound right. I definitely picked up on that intuitively. If you'd allow me before we change this, I want to make sure anybody listening out here that I'm putting down in any way, the LBGT community or however they choose to see themselves, that's fine. I'm just talking about my personal experience. Thank you for letting me say that. Yeah, absolutely. The more I come into that oneness and that wholeness, the more the binaries disappear. I feel like we all have our balance of masculine and feminine and it's being imbalanced and that really allows us to live a whole life. Even within sexuality, I know within myself, I've realized I'm more drawn to a person and not necessarily their race or whatever they are. It's not gay or straight or whatever. It's just how do I feel about this person? I feel drawn to this person or not. I've just given up on all of those labels myself. It just doesn't make sense because we're all just people. And that's called growth. We're growing up. We're growing up. Yeah, definitely. I really identify with what you're saying about I consider myself to be a light worker. I get more and more memories and more and more understanding of that. I definitely am connecting more with the extraterrestrial community and identity, just kind of seeing about this life. But when you were talking about this being your last incarnation and such, I definitely, I don't know, I'm not going to make meaning of it and I'll definitely sit in it deeper, but I definitely felt some stirring within some kind of recognition and what you were saying that it moves some things. So I'm sure that if I felt that there are other people in this audience who felt that as well. And thank you for sharing that so openly. We had talked before about intersectionality and I love that you have this clearance in life to really explore these deeper understandings, these deeper movements within yourself throughout your life. And you've had this time and this experience. I know we talked before about you pastoring the first church that you pastored. Can you tell us more about that? Wow. Yeah. I started this ministry at 17 when I received what we call the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Now, even though I'm far away from that dogma and doctrine of that church, I'm not away from the experience. I had an experience that they call the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So anyway, when I started talking about that, I also learned to play music in a black church in Tulsa. So I got into black gospel music and started traveling with evangelists that were going through the South in the Tent Revival. So to make a long story short, at the end of the season, we were hooked to a church in Montgomery, Alabama, and they asked if I would stay and be their pastor. I was 19 years old. So I took it as an apostolic church. So I stayed and became the minister, not knowing anything about ministering whatsoever. You know, people ask me all the time, how did you learn this through theology? I said, no neology. I found this out just on my knees praying and seeking for truth. You know, I didn't go to some seminary. I mean, cemetery. I mean, seminary. Sorry. But I really did find this through the Holy Spirit. But it was a hard experience because it was right in the middle of the race riots in Montgomery at that time. We're talking about 62, 63, rough time. And I remember this kind of large redheaded sheriff that was kind of the deacon of the church coming in and teaching the adult class on Sunday with a gun on his show, on his hip, talking about how many, I'll use the N word, they had shot. I about had a nervous breakdown. Well, I had just come from an all black church in Tulsa, which they didn't know. But I was, I mean, I was so tender. I thought Christians had love. I thought we had compassion. And it was such an awakening to me that I almost had a really a breakdown. But you know, I think sometimes breakdowns are underrated transformational tools. I think through those breakdowns that we put ourselves back together at another level. But it was a difficult time to just throw myself out there and try to pastor a church that was so closed to growing, to revisiting some of their dogma and doctrine, which I was in the process of doing. So that didn't work very well for me. And, you know, I finally left and moved on. And spirit has always been there to guide me, I guess. Something has always been there to help me to the next step, you know, from there. But yeah, it was early to start trying to pastor a church at 19 years old. Yeah, that is very early. Interesting. So you talked about this baptism of the Holy Spirit. Tell me more about that experience and which parts of it still remain true and which parts feel like intertwined with the indoctrination. Will you talk more about that? Oh, I'd love to. It's my favorite subject to talk about because it's the experience that set my trajectory of my life at that time. The story goes like this. As I said, my aunt was a pastor. We had the church up on the hill, doing really good, packing it out. And there was this little church down at the bottom of the hill. And I'd drive by there and there'd be two or three cars. And I'd say, oh, those poor people, you know, they're not being blessed like we are, you know. And then all of a sudden I started noticing cars and it grew and it grew and it grew. And there was cars all over the place. And I decided to, when I left our service, which was early, they were just getting started. I went there and started slipping in the back. And one night was, oh, I don't know, there was several hundred people there. It was really a huge revival that happened in Tulsa for about eight weeks every night. That's the way we used to do it.